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It's the sort of thing he would do, were they told by Lloyd to do it?
No one affiliated with Lloyd did this. He doesn’t have this kind of power anymore. Since this seems to be a question that will not go away, here’s the screenshot of the exchange. Hope this establishes that it is not Lloyd or a fan of his.
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Why do I get the feeling this is actually Lloyd that doing this to Jake?
Before this takes on a life of its own, let me state empathetically that the person(s) threatening to expose Jake is definitely NOT Lloyd, nor a burner account set up by him or even one of his crazed followers. I know who it is and it’s not Lloyd or anyone affiliated with him.
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Jabba the Hutt has correctly deduced that videos like Jake’s are his kryptonite and he must do everything he can to get them taken down. It’s all a part of his ongoing campaign to locate the negative info and either get it removed, or silence/marginalise the party repeating it.
False analogy and notice how he is concerned with “44K views and counting”. He quickly turns his insensitivity towards Jake into others people’s insensitivity toward him. This is how manipulative this slob is.
Again with the “more views”. However, he ignores the root cause of Jake getting more views - him stirring it up, getting personal, and then complaining about people who haven’t watched it seeing for themselves. He’d rather everyone take his POV and STFU.
Jake and all the others who have made videos about him should under no circumstances take them down unless Lloyd can prove a point of contention wrong. This he refuses to do for the simple reason that he can’t.
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It's a very childish and unconvincing strategy
To put it mildly. What I see is him blowing a huge opportunity to come across as the voice of reason and even elicit sympathy.
In true Lloyd fashion, he drills a hole right through the bottom of the boat and wonders why it’s sinking.
For example, here’s what I would have said:
”I am aware of the discussion round Jake ‘altworldly’. I have always been a deep believer in privacy and this is no different. Though Jake and I had a falling out over this in the past, my only concern is for Jake and his wife’s mental health. Therefore, I have no comment and urge people to respect Jake’s privacy”
Diverts attention AWAY from his actions and towards Jake’s, also making himself seem magnanimous in comparison. The perfect crime.
Instead he launches a broadside attack against Jake and exposes his own vulnerabilities. There’s still a bit of overlap between Jake’s followers and Lloyd’s. Probably shouldn’t say this here, but I will:
The reason there wasn’t a Magnificent 8 with Jake included was due to a mutual follower of both parties interceding in favour of Jake. Lloyd was already paying more than he wished for the litigation anyway and he didn’t take much convincing to drop one to save money.
This is what I mean about blown opportunities. But Lloyd would rather have gotten his petty digs in instead.
The 2 January Patreon numbers are going to be lit…
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What is Jake's YouTube channel?
He’s known as altworldly.
The video Lloyd is speaking about is here:
The “lie” Lloyd refers is in the first 2 minutes where Jake says this video is not an attempt to cancel/defame/etc Lloyd. Then he plays a clip from the Maury Povich “we have determined this is a lie” shows.
So Lloyd is holding Jake to a literal interpretation on a joke he made and is calling him a liar.
The only thing this did for Lloyd is:
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Shame on you LE, when you have a beautiful wife at home.
That's not all he wanted. Even whilst he was a believing and practicing JW, he had multiple online relationships going which did not end when he got married. It appears the idea of promiscuity appealed to him, and quickly delegated her to the role of JW housewife once the honeymoon period wore off, if there ever really was one. I can totally see him on their Croatian honeymoon slipping away into the hotel lobby to check up on his msgs.
His wording in his book regarding his wife was interesting in regard to how he explained she reacted when a couple of his bombshells hit. Here's his explanation when she caught him sexting in 2009:
As you would expect, Dijana was devastated. She assumed all of this somehow reflected on her as a wife. If I was engaging in online sexual encounters with other women, then in her mind, I must have no feelings for her whatsoever. I pleaded with her that this was not the case; that I loved her and wanted to be with her, but I was fighting powerful inner urges and needed help
Here's what he said about her reaction when he revealed to her less than one year later about his doubts about the organisation in his letter dated 1 January 2010:
Though still a believer, she understood that my doubts were genuine. Her only concern was whether I might be using them as a pretext to leave her, but I was able to convince her this was not the case. I really was losing my faith, but it did not have to mean the end of our relationship.
These two passages are frankly amazing in my opinion, for the simple fact that it was HER who was worried about losing HIM. Especially when she caught him sexting someone, shouldn't it be the other way round? Shouldn't he be the one thinking she might leave? It strikes me odd that in his telling, she was worried on both occasions that Lloyd would leave her when in reality, he was the one with explaining to do. After all, it was her parent's home they were living in, and he was the one bringing apostate ideas there. But she was worried about this underemployed and unattractive man leaving her.
It could be his general dishonesty in making it seem she was so into him to leave her that worried. But from what I know of the two, her reactions as explained in his book feel like a plausible explanation of how their relationship worked. After all, after being caught in Texas, didn't he pledge to still love her, "despite all your faults"?
This is a textbook sign of emotional abuse and in particular a pattern of him attacking her sense of self-esteem to the point where she felt that she needed him more than he needed her.
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"Behind the scenes" to what? A Bethel leak? No, he just wants to point out to you the many different methods you can pay him. With his end of month drop perilously close at 11 days, to be only at 402 and only 3 above what he bottomed out at last month, whatever he tried to do with his rebranding effort is not working. I get the feeling that people who follow him are tired of being reminded of the need to compensate him, especially for a new Patron who just joined and finding out their "exclusive content" was just a tour round his retooled Patreon tiers. They weren't even this pushy about donations at the Bethel tour.
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Did this dingus, through the magical school bus law firm, file any sort public complaint / document yet?
Depends on what you mean. If you mean his previous promise to make the "evidence" available to the public, he had cowered away from that like the coward he is.
I say "coward" because he loves to call people that who don't give him their real name and addresses. I also call him Jabba the Hutt because he loves Star Wars, doesn't like being called that, and is fat, disgusting and greedy.
The only thing he made public were the filings which pointed to "evidence" which he has yet to provide.
And he's backed away from that promise as mentioned like he never made it in the first place.
"It's not my job to provide you the evidence! You are a criminal defendant, and I suggest you retain the services of a talented Croatian lawyer!" was pretty much the summation of his last rant in response to "where's the evidence you promised".
Oooo that would scare the fuck out of me. "Get a Croatian lawyer" has to rank up there next to "The Greenland Police would like to see what's in your fishing net, sir!"
If you are asking for updates, the last filing was by himself on 14 November 2022.
Coincidentally, he's been doing a lot of things "by himself" this year.
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I don't think this was the right way of name and shaming on him for whatever reason.
Lloyd Evans doesn't have a complaint box. Ask Louise Goode. She was his co-host and he rode her ass all weekend because she expressed a positive opinion of Jonathan Sanders. It was only until Louise got down on her knees and offered an unequivocal apology that he forgave her for expressing her opinion.
What he does have was an established method of naming, shaming and bullying anyone who expressed a contrary opinion or even worse, was directly critical of him. He had an army of sycophants who would have mercilessly trolled and bullied her until she either disappeared or recanted. His livestream was meant as a bat signal that it was full-on war against Kim.
I believe Kim knew what he would do. I believe she knew how brutal he could be, and her bringing it up in private as you seem to be suggesting would have effectively only tipped him off that he had a dissenter and would have moved quickly to publicly sack her and highly imply it was for an issue of trust or dishonesty. And then he would have set his dogs loose upon her while covering his tracks in Thailand and elsewhere.
She was quite literally in a no-win situation. She could have bent the knee and let this information slide, allowing him to continue to milk the community for financial support and continue to abuse his wife. She could have just resigned and disappeared. She could have slipped the info to someone which he would deny considering the source was not firsthand and set up a campaign of abuse towards the leaker. Or she could have done what she did.
It took nothing short of unprecedented bravery and a strong sense of right and wrong to do what she did. Isn't that what being a former Jehovah's Witness is about? We call out these abuses on WT and document them. How should that be any different upon Lloyd and the damage he was causing by leading such a double life especially considering the fact that he was an exJW CSA advocate participating and feeding donation money into a system of abuse and sex trafficking. Should she have waited until it got worse (which it was quickly becoming)?
She put her own name, reputation and mental health on the line to allow people to make an informed decision on whether to support Lloyd Evans. Over half have and have agreed with Kim. If anything, doing it in the manner in the way she did exposed him even more for his bully tactics and legal threats.
I'm glad she did it in that way. She held a huge mirror up to Lloyd Evans and if you don't like what you see, take it up with the man whose reflection you see staring back at you.
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I love playing out alternate realities. They fascinate me. Here’s mine for the day:
This time one year ago Lloyd gets back from Texas and is confronted by his wife for these flirty pics with women in Texas. In a tearful “Come to Jesus” moment, Lloyd explains that he always felt insecure as an overweight, unattractive man with a horrible chin and a Muppet nose. He admits he is wrong to create online dating profiles and arranging meetups. No more! I have you and the girls!
Dijana privately wipes her brow and thinks: “Now if I can just get him to give up prostitutes, then everything will be perfect”
10 months later Lloyd is closing in on 1200 patrons and has just signed the final papers on his beach house. A DM comes through. “Probably another fan wanting to be on my channel with an uninteresting sob story about being shunned”. But no, it’s Jan Nielsen from Norway, giving him an inside scoop on huge legal news from Norway.
Lloyd stands up and summons his JW Watch crew on WhatsApp.
“I must go to Norway! The people have called and they need me and my take on it! Oh and also some tickets for the wife and my two girls please. Tease something huge is coming up and see how much you can collect”
After doing interviews with Jan and Jonas, as well as a livestream where he collects €4000 in Superchats, he saunters off to his promised Norway exJW meetup. The ladies pose with him like he’s Mick Jagger and he only wishes he could slip them a note with his room number. “Oh no, what a time to get those damn blue balls again!” At the dinner at an expensive restaurant he asks his Norwegian hosts if Oslo has a red light district and if so, where is it? Lloyd changes the subject when the cheque comes and pretends to not see it.
After one day’s hard work, the Evans family heads to the Norwegian cruise ship dock for the round trip to Nord Kapp and Kirkenes. Their Norwegian hosts wish them well, knowing how funds collected for his visit were also funneled into paying for this. Lloyd and family visit the stunning fiords and Dijana gets to go on one of her beloved whale watching tours.
They pose at Nord Kapp, the northernmost point in Europe with the Northern Lights in the background. His Twitter post has 900 likes. In Kirkenes, he makes another post how he is mere kilometres from the Russian border and puts up several Ukrainian flag emojis in support. He makes a short handheld video for Tibor to edit later.
Back in Croatia, he relates to his wife that he must go to Zagreb for a few days. “Why?”, he is asked. Furrowing his brow in astonishment at being asked such a question, he responds “I am meeting with Tibor to work on some follow up with my Norwegian videos and to begin work on my next documentary!”
After checking into his Zagreb hotel, he loosens his trousers, knowing that his blue balls problem will soon be handled and handled well.
